Well, goodness! How did THIS find it's way into my post?!
More stalking by the Misogynists…..
Here’s yet another SS (Shrieking Schoolgirl) from The Spearhead posting over there about me (and I don’t recall having any sort of “fair debate” with him so he basically cut, edited, and posted random comments of mine and then mixed it in weirdly as a post meant to rage against Feminists?) As usual it’s riddled with imaginary revolutions and language (not surprising since the author is a HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT….I mean, wow….and then they have the balls to post about how all “college degrees earned by women are fake and they didn’t earn them or learn anything to get them”) I mean….this coming from guys who are either over 50, single, and childless or High-School dropouts who are virgins?? Haaa hahahhah:
Turning the Tide: “An Object Lesson in Waging the War from the Front Lines”
My goodness, again! My tiny, female brain cannot comprehend why I put these images on here.....*sigh*....oh, well I'm sure theres some cleaning to be done around here or something.....
The problem is that I have no urge to be the voice of Feminism, so he’s really pushing against the wrong person…..
Second, I don’t who he is nor do I care about him and he speaks of me and Feminism in some sort of weird Epic proportions in “men’s WAR against feminism” (lmao, yes I know how silly it is). Third, I was banned from posting there so this dumb ass KNOWS I cannot answer or refute or even comment about anything he says and expects me to go to HIS blog and defend myself against his accusations and random assholery? Um, no. You can discuss it here….or go fuck yourself. I cannot be bothered with random commentors who come here…..ask a few things…..fling some insults….disappear….and then magically reappear at The Spearhead or their own blogs posting snippets of conversation and blatant slander about me and actually expect me to go to the trouble of answering them (when they know I cannot because I’ve been banned, edited, moderated, and deleted).
I have no problem discussing anything at all on my own blog. Everyone here has witnessed this, but I refuse to travel around from blog to blog and be edited, moderated, or banned when I attempt to actually ANSWER questions/accusations posed to me about my beliefs or anything else. Especially when I’m wasting my time because most of the people who want me to drop everything and answer their posts don’t know anything about my beliefs, don’t read here, and just post random insults and blatant lies about me anyhow.
I keep my blog fair and allow unmoderated debate between myself and any other reader/poster/blogger/commenter who visits here and apparently that playing field being fair makes it a little too uncomfortable for the likes of people who read/post at The Spearhead and quite a few other sites/blogs as well.
(The article is hilarious, nonetheless…..and when this guy gets into how he’s gonna bring down the feminist revolution and “send this to everyone you know”…….lmfao….these guys really ARE a gift that keeps on giving in terms of amusement and delusion. They really do seem to BELIEVE that there is some sort of revolution and that women will either bow to their will or be replaced with robots, lmao.)
And these guys wonder why I don’t bother responding to them or visiting their blogs to “retort” most of the time? Its fun at first (for the entertainment value) and then you realize how far out and delusional these guys are and the conversation becomes a little sad instead…..definitely NOT as much fun.
You called posters at The Spearhead rapists and abusers, which makes you a liar. If it were me you were addressing in such a manner, I’d persue it too. Who wouldn’t?
And I actually came here and read it all with my own eyes…you plan to deny everything you said?
LR EDIT: NOPE. They ARE all criminals. They all are accomplices to rape of ANY woman, murder, abuse, and violent assault because they support and work with men who DO encourage and support those things (like Roissy) and their commenters, articles, and posts are filled with all those things. They are just as guilty as the next man who goes out and grabs a woman to rape her. They’re psychos, assholes, deviants, criminals, and should be removed from the streets. Hope that clarifies.
Lady Raine, this LADY RAIN actually resembles you. Is that why you picked the moniker?
Lady Raine,
I would like to thank you for taking the time to read my article and follow my advice in the conclusions section by contributing to the viral-bombing campaign. Every contribution helps and allow me to be the first to welcome you to our forward-thinking community. We have the best interests of humanity – regardless of what your biological sex, age, race, or whatever other discriminating factor you can imagine – at heart. It’s great to see you contributing to such a noble cause.
Thank you!
J. Durden
“You called posters at The Spearhead rapists and abusers, which makes you a liar. If it were me you were addressing in such a manner, I’d persue it too. Who wouldn’t?
And I actually came here and read it all with my own eyes…you plan to deny everything you said?
First of all, it is still unclear to me exactly WHAT I am being accused of therefore I have no idea if I plan to “deny” or defend anything at all.
Second, every poster at the Spearhead has proven themselves ALREADY to be liars themselves in many ways including blatant lies about me, my life, my beliefs, and what kind of mother I am, what my job is/was, where I lived, what my education is or is not….the list goes on and on of lies, slander, and defamation posted about me at The Spearhead and sometimes on the personal blogs of Spearhead contributors/authors.
They have also proven themselves liars because they post things about women and single mothers in general that are LIES, opinions, and just plain old insults and hate.
Therefore I feel no obligation whatsoever to argue with, defend, or even address anything a Spearhead poster says, posts, or asks at all.
Getting called a ‘liar” by a group of men who have each already proven they are liars and criminals over and over really isn’t saying much.
I don’t promote hating, abusing, and violently attacking men. I don’t call them useless and inferior. I don’t post in celebration when a man is attacked, harmed, cheated on, etc. I don’t have man-abusers co-authoring MY blog.
I’m not the one with anything to defend.
If it were a regular person, a random reader, or even a respected blogger then I might care about such an accusation, but since The Spearhead is co-authored by Roissy AND its other authors have REPEATEDLY posted about me (and also Denise)…posted “questions/accusations” TO ME…. and then have the nerve to edit, delete, and then BAN ME from answering at all and YOU are here making demands?
Much like the mistake I made in being polite and answering Obsidian on HIS blog (not shockingly another Spearhead fan-boy and contributor) when I thought he wanted a valid debate, but was instead rewarded with being edited, then banned, then have MORE lies and attacks on me…..just like at The Spearhead.
Do you genuinely think I owe them an answer after their repeated attacks, dishonesty, and assholery?
Do you really feel I owe a single one of you so much as a nod in your direction after all that? Are you really that stupid? Or really just that arrogant?
I did indeed call them all psychos, criminals, and rapists. They are no better than them because they encourage and promote those things publicly by linking and being co-authored by Roissy (who openly advocated hitting women and sex with young girls) and they also allow, engage in, and write articles that celebrate hatred, harm, and abuse of women.
They are an accomplice to a crime each and every time a woman gets beaten and raped by promoting beliefs and other men (like roissy) who DO condone and encourage it. Each time they joke and celebrate it. Each time they lie and miseducate theire readers into thinking those crimes and abuse are okay.
An ‘accomplice’ is no more innocent than the rapist or murder. They just lack the balls to do it themselves.
Do I feel compelled to hurry and justify what I say about that group of deviants who are more useful wiped off earth than they are on it? No.
They treated me with disrespect and dishonesty and they’ll get whatever bone I choose to throw them from now on.
So I hope its clear for you now: The men at the Spearhead are criminals. They are also liars. They are guilty of teaching and promoting hatred and abuse of women. They are guilty of helping more women to get raped, beaten, and oppressed and I do not even view them as human beings.
Hope that clears up any confusion.
Lady Raine, this LADY RAIN actually resembles you. Is that why you picked the moniker?
Lmao! No, I’m a nerd about modern music and don’t know anything about Pop, Rap, or anything other than Rock.
I had never even heard of her.
Its actually because my mother (and fam) called me “Little Rain” when I was young because I loved thunderstorms and lightening SO much practically since birth (and still do). If there was a storm, they’d always have to do a “Wendy-search” because they knew I had probably darted outside.
So now I’m not so “Little” anymore, so “Lady” fit better
PS: most of my fam nicknames involve “little” because I’m the youngest of two and because the rest of my fam is more husky, shorter, big boned types so they always made references to my being ‘skinny’ and ‘small’ and ‘long-legged’ so to them I WAS the “little” one I guess.
Plus my other childhood nickname was “Little Leigh” (my middle name) so “Little Rain” sorta came from that.
My mother isn’t very clever.
Lady Snow (a Desi by any other name is still a Desi LOL)
I like it. Maria is definitely “Lady Fire” (obviously because there is no doubt of the fire in her opinion)
Chic Noir is “Lady Earth” (because she is forever the fair and grounded diplomat)
And Denise is “Lady Air” (because her EI and NVP techniques are positive and she likes to communicate with others)
And LR is “Lady Liar” (because her opinions change like the wind, and frequently sound like a bad case of it
).
And Cad is Lady Claire, after his beloved Claire Huxtable.
Lady Raine Says:
February 10, 2010 at 11:00 PM
Lady Snow (a Desi by any other name is still a Desi LOL)
Indians love their Bollywood movies with scenes of snow on the mountains in the background while idiots dance around and sing those godawful songs.
I like it. Maria is definitely “Lady Fire” (obviously because there is no doubt of the fire in her opinion)
She’s Latina, right? Hot blooded and loud.
Chic Noir is “Lady Earth” (because she is forever the fair and grounded diplomat)
Lady Dirt, for obvious reasons.
And Denise is “Lady Air” (because her EI and NVP techniques are positive and she likes to communicate with others)
Lady Airhead. Comments full of hot air, links filled with hot air, copy and paste jobs filled with hot air.
And LR is “Lady Liar” (because her opinions change like the wind, and frequently sound like a bad case of it
).
You idiot, changing opinions is not “lying”. God, you think like a politician….”no matter how much evidence proves otherwise NEVER change your mind, NEVER consider something different, and go DOWN with your idiotic beliefs no matter what”
The only reason you’d think something I say is a lie is because you were listening to and believing the many “stories about Lady Raine” from other sites and places from people who know nothing about me. Of course you’ll find that those things don’t match up….they weren’t true in the first place, you dumb ass. I have many varying opinions on many things. Some subjects I’m hardcore on….some not. That is being a “normal human” not a “liar”. Believe it or not I don’t have to pretend to be a “Feminist” or a “Misogynist” or a “PUA” and blog all day about one thing in order to be “honest”. I can be a regular woman with a regular job who happens to blog about regular stuff.
SO SUSPICIOUS
I don’t know what I’ve supposedly “lied” about now…..probably another one of those things where supposedly deep down I hate men and am charge of a secret Feminist Organization to wipe men off the earth and my blog is just a cover.
The worst part about “Durden” posting on the Spearhead about ME and his weird Manifesto is that he dedicated ALL THAT HATE and time to post about ME (hilariously as a “feminist” against men) and STILL doesn’t even know that I’m NOT MARRIED and have NEVER BEEN MARRIED. He speaks of me “self proclaiming to be married with kids”.
See what I mean? Supposedly I’m the liar and yet someone ELSE is quoting ME as having “self proclaimed myself to be a mother and a wife”. He not only says it once, but over and over. So obviously I NEVER was quoted as saying that, never said anything CLOSE to that, and yet he STILL felt free to put it in the post and actually QUOTE IT as coming from ME.
Just another example of how dishonest they all are, how little yet another stalker from over there actually KNOWS about me, and how quickly a random MRA will jump on the bandwagon and start a war with me when they don’t even know if I’m married or not and are quoting things I never even said?
Yup, keep discrediting yourselves more and more……(except that Durden’s “revolution” is a crazy as a loon and hilarious to consider that men are actually thinking they will do this and it will work, lmao)
Willard Libby is Lady Black Cock because any mention of it sends him into a frothing-at-the-mouth commenting tizzy.
And no I’m not joking, check out his history of comments over at Roissy’s if you doubt it.
LOL, you couldn’t be more wrong. I’m as Anglo as can be. Qualify for DAR membership at least three times over.
It’s ironic how Obsidian keeps requiring of all his female blog readers that we should read Neil Strauss’s THE GAME. If anything is an indictment against the PUA cult, it’s this book. I was reading it the other day and he really rips into the beliefs and lifestyle of PROJECT HOLLYWOOD.
He makes all of the guys come off as psychologically disturbed losers.
And reading that book is supposed to make us “sympathetic” to game?!?!
Well, I guess if you feel “sorry” for such type of guys.
Indians love their Bollywood movies with scenes of snow on the mountains in the background while idiots dance around and sing those godawful songs.
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Exept I’m not Indian!
Any by the way, Bollywood is not loved by all Indians. Only the ones who speak “hindi”. India has many different languages and a lot of “regional cinema”.
And I hate snow.
Let me see if I understand this. Lady Raine is shocked, SHOCKED, to find that the “men’s movement” on the Internet is full of crying sissies and the so called “pick up artists” are just douchebags pretending to be celebrities and banging sluts who like dudes who pretend to be rich and/or famous?
My advice to Lady Raine (who I just discovered but I respect) is dump this “anti-feminist” nonsense (it is just Feminism for men who want to be treated like ladies) and join the anti-Marxist movement where we are just as hard on the excesses of feminism but we aren’t living in our parents basements pretending to be rock stars.
Exit question: If all these men hate feminism why do they accept Feminists basic premise about the character of men and women?
You’re welcome at my site anytime.
Here’s a PUA wannabe with HIV who is STILL OUT TRYING TO “CLOSE”;
http://recklessnessandaudacity.blogspot.com/2010/02/epic-fail.html
Rob Taylor -
I agree with your basic theory that feminism is not the root cause of the problems people are complaining about. However, for a significant sector of people (namely, men), the perception exists that it is the most urgent problem. Therefore, it must be handled or perceptions must change. I am trying to change perceptions. It isn’t clear from your post, but have you taken the time to read what I’ve written on The Spearhead? I know Lady Raine paints a desolate picture here, and she’s certainly entitled to her opinion, but I’d ask you what your honest opinion is of my piece?
I’ll be leaving a similar comment on your web page as well – please don’t view this as attempting to spam you. I really am interested in what you have to think!
J. Durden
feminism is not the root cause of the problems people are complaining about.
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What do you think the “root cause” of these problems is?
Lady Snow -
The root factor in nearly all human difficulties seems to be tied to language facilities; specifically, language ideologies have had a major and largely unnoticed impact. Ever get the sense that you’re talking to a wall when you should be talking to another human being? That’s probably the work of a language ideology – either one that you hold, or one that the person you’re talking to holds. If you both have the same language ideology, then there’s no problem, and in fact, efficient ability to communicate is increased. Competing language ideologies, however, absolutely destroy the ability to communicate. One step to eliminate this is to agree to speak the same language – whatever form that language may take. If you can’t agree on the language, then there’s no point in talking!
Here are some communication fundamentals a lot of people don’t think about.
Is this making sense?
It makes sense. However, I think the “root” goes deeper than that. I think at the root of all of this is a SPIRITUAL dysfunction.
Maria the Lurker Says:
February 11, 2010 at 4:06 PM
She’s Latina, right? Hot blooded and loud.
LOL, you couldn’t be more wrong. I’m as Anglo as can be. Qualify for DAR membership at least three times over.
I’m pretty sure all women named Maria are in fact Latina.
Change your name, you are being deceptive. I feel like I have been name raped by your trickery.
Let It Snow Says:
February 11, 2010 at 7:01 PM
Indians love their Bollywood movies with scenes of snow on the mountains in the background while idiots dance around and sing those godawful songs.
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Exept I’m not Indian!
Any by the way, Bollywood is not loved by all Indians. Only the ones who speak “hindi”. India has many different languages and a lot of “regional cinema”.
I thought you were DesiPUA and that Desi=Indian.
And I hate snow.
Kill yourself.
Let It Snow Says:
February 11, 2010 at 6:55 PM
It’s ironic how Obsidian keeps requiring of all his female blog readers that we should read Neil Strauss’s THE GAME. If anything is an indictment against the PUA cult, it’s this book.
Here is a free torrent file of the book.
Here is BitTorrent software to read the file.
Download the bittorrent to desktop. Then download the book file. When completed the book file will be in your documents downloads.
Here is the 2nd edition of The Mystery Method.
And here are audio interviews about PUA techniques and strategies.
LR EDIT: Sometimes I really think Willard actually LIVES INSIDE of a Library.
Hey, if you can tell me about a way I can reliably and independently verify spiritual phenomenon much in the same way you can reliably and independently verify scientific phenomenon (need to know if gravity is still working? grab something and then let it go. Did the object you were holding appear to accelerate towards the center of the earth? If so, congratulations – you just helped build evidence for the theory of gravity!), I’ll be happy to help you prove your theory.
Until then, however, I’ll remain skeptical.
What is the future of women issues? Well in 2008 we saw women come close in both the Democrat and Republican primaries. And this is the 1st generation of females to be so well educated, to be the majority at colleges and law schools. And even in places where they lag, that is all relative from 0% just a few years ago.
Although I would point out culture isn’t everything. Spain is culturally catholic conservative, and yet because of their social democratic policies their gender gap is 90/100 as opposed to 77/100, despite the absence of a feminist movement. But then again if someone truly wanted to keep women in the home, they would advocate a Christian Democratic welfare state in which government polices encourage men to be the sole bread-winner and for wives to household. Women are kept out of the market. In Social Democratic Nordic states government policies intentionally push women into the market. While in the USA there is no official policy, libertarian capitalism accomplishes the same goal as the Nordics, in that the whip of the market forces women into the public sphere. Rights and freedoms, are usually not given up easily once had. So this is the first generation of females to have the same educational accomplishments as males, but they have only begun to hit the job market. And this recession has hit men harder, and caused a delay to the start of many men’s careers including yourself. So in that sense, wait and see, economics will accomplish what consciousness raising groups could never dream of. On the other hand there will be the road-block of maternity leave. But with birth control and abortion, we just might ride that wave. Well you want to know the truth, its never been better to be a woman. What good is Tucker Max’s “domination” hook-up? It is the sweet beta-male provider husband who owned women as property all these centuries. In what real sense can any girl be said to be Roissy’s property? SO save your Victorian tears.
This may or may not be relevant, but I think I discovered the way to divide by zero.
“LR EDIT: NOPE. They ARE all criminals. They all are accomplices to rape of ANY woman, murder, abuse, and violent assault because they support and work with men who DO encourage and support those things (like Roissy) and their commenters, articles, and posts are filled with all those things. They are just as guilty as the next man who goes out and grabs a woman to rape her. They’re psychos, assholes, deviants, criminals, and should be removed from the streets. Hope that clarifies.”
Posting equals actual rape? Maybe in your tiny world, my dear, but not in the world of adults, the real world.
You mean like Maria Shriver?
I’m pretty sure all women named Maria are in fact Latina.
No, I had an Aunt Maria and she was Catholic and part Italian. I think Maria is just an old fashioned name that Catholics used a lot…..not necessarily Latina.
Let me see if I understand this. Lady Raine is shocked, SHOCKED, to find that the “men’s movement” on the Internet is full of crying sissies and the so called “pick up artists” are just douchebags pretending to be celebrities and banging sluts who like dudes who pretend to be rich and/or famous?
My advice to Lady Raine (who I just discovered but I respect) is dump this “anti-feminist” nonsense (it is just Feminism for men who want to be treated like ladies) and join the anti-Marxist movement where we are just as hard on the excesses of feminism but we aren’t living in our parents basements pretending to be rock stars.
Exit question: If all these men hate feminism why do they accept Feminists basic premise about the character of men and women?
You’re welcome at my site anytime.
I have visited your site now Rob and I have to say it’s a nice change to see NO BLAMING and WHINING and someone who takes child crimes seriously, who believes criminals should be treated as criminals, and who is a Pagan as well?! You’re more of an outlier than I am!! Anyway, I did enjoy your site and would recommend it to others reading here.
Your blog has a nice variety all centered around similar core issues that ARE important. I’m not sure how many things we agree on yet because I haven’t read enough there….but I like your blog thus far.
LR -
It appears to me that you edited crella’s post into oblivion? I’m having a hard time figuring out what she wrote and what you wrote. This is probably because I am not as intelligent as you. Can you help me understand what she wrote and what you wrote? Thank you.
- J. Durden
LR, if men posting negative things on the net equals being an accomplice, what about the horrible things posted by women? If a man is falsley accused in part because a woman read something on a feminist blog does that mean the blogger is an accomplice?
LR EDIT: No, like I just answered Crella….there is a difference between posting things about women or men that may be controversial…..and dedicating an entire blog and community to JUST posting about hating, criminalizing, abusing, raping, and oppressing women. Just like you could post about how much a Black guy pissed you off today…..and that would be acceptable….but if you posted about how ALL BLACKS are assholes and then made it the subject of your blog, added co authors, and ONLY posted about how people should do ___ and ___ to Blacks ….THAT would be a different story.
Crella said:
“Posting equals actual rape? Maybe in your tiny world, my dear, but not in the world of adults, the real world”.
That’s not what I said. But focusing a blog and ALL it’s contents and posters around oppression against women, hate of women, rape and abuse of women, and degradation/disrespect of women and then allowing REALLY graphic, hateful, violent comments and NARRATING agreement with them is definitely not “posting something” randomly that MIGHT incite some hate.
Those men are encouraging and celebrating crimes against women. They also link and co-author with Roissy who OPENLY promotes hitting women and sex with minor girls. So please don’t TELL me that I’m saying “posting random articles” is what I’m referring to when I talk of “being an accomplice” to violence/crimes against women.
I am not saying that every person who posts anything about a person is trying to incite violence or harm against them. I’m also not saying that any hatred of women is “hate speech”. I’m saying that they intentionally link and have coauthoring by men/bloggers that DO openly promote actual CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN. The comments section also contains many sick, disturbing, and certainly “criminal” depictions of how “great” violence/murder of women is.
They are a blog that is intentionally used to create HATRED against random WOMEN. ANY WOMEN. That is hateful, irresponsible, and YES means that they could easily incite a crime against a woman because of their encouragement and celebration of such crimes.
There’s a difference between posting something controversial about women…….and posting every hateful, violent, criminal thing you can find about women EVERY time and with the SAME intent.
Maybe you like feigning you don’t understand the difference, but I don’t.
LR -
It appears to me that you edited crella’s post into oblivion? I’m having a hard time figuring out what she wrote and what you wrote. This is probably because I am not as intelligent as you. Can you help me understand what she wrote and what you wrote? Thank you.
- J. Durden
I edited Crella’s post now and took out my BOLD edit area. Crella’s original comment wasn’t italicized to quote me so that made it confusing in the first place. I added the italics and then answered his/her statement in a separate reply so that it’s clearer for reading.
Plenty of men care about children and are willing to take care of them; women often “cash-out” on these men when they see fit.
Feminism is literally a lynchpin of socialism, so the two can’t be separated.
Plenty of men care about children and are willing to take care of them; women often “cash-out” on these men when they see fit.
Paatr I don’t really understand your statement. Do you mean “take care” as in through marriage and women are cashing out?? Men also cash out on good women once the “kids are grown” and the wife isn’t looking so young and hot anymore. Be honest….it goes both ways. There are many men who don’t WANT to have custody of their kids….AND they don’t want to have any financial responsibility EITHER. You cannot deny those men ARE deadbeats and are a drain on society no matter what the gender.
Plenty of men care about children and are willing to take care of them
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And you have FEMINISM to that for that. The post-feminist era has freed men to express their previously repressed and scorned nurturing faculties.
Back in the 1950′s men were laughed at and called “sissies” for partaking in childcare like changing diapers. They still are in some countries today.
I find it ironic that a man is arguing FOR custody, childcare and nurturing but AGIANST feminism when it was FEMINISM that put the idea into peoples heads in the first place that men ought to step up to the plate when it comes to the nitty gritty of infant and toddler care, not just playing softball with Junior when he turns 6 years old.
LR EDIT: Sometimes I really think Willard actually LIVES INSIDE of a Library.
When I left PA to move to the west coast I sold my house and about a billion books. My place looked like an old used book store.
Lady Raine Says:
February 12, 2010 at 12:59 PM
I’m pretty sure all women named Maria are in fact Latina.
No, I had an Aunt Maria and she was Catholic and part Italian. I think Maria is just an old fashioned name that Catholics used a lot…..not necessarily Latina.
Wait…..I think you’re right. I wonder if maybe I was just kidding when I wrote that.
Let me think about it.
Here’s a story about a stalker and what he did to a newlywed.
Roger Troy Went to Alissa Blanton’s Home, Sent the Ex-Hooters Waitress Demeaning E-Mails
A 61 year old guy ends the life of a 23 year old girl and then kills himself.
She died in her husbands arms……
“Baby I love you,” Brent Blanton could be heard saying to his bleeding wife. “Keep breathing. Oh my God, come on, baby.”
I think the husband should have been more assertive about defending his wife from this stalker months ago.
I can’t see myself being passive with a guy like this bothering my wife or girlfriend. He should have turned the tables and gone stalking the stalker.
Murder victim’s friends share her fears about stalker
Feminism didn’t put any ideas into anyone’s minds. If you want good men to step up to the plate then CHOOSE good men.
Is J. Durban high? That would explain a lot.
But really feminism is just a tool of Marxism. It doesn’t have to be just as the term Liberal doesn’t have too mean leftist. David Horowitz is starting a Conservative Feminist blog aimed at re-claiming the term from the left and making it mean what they claim it does. I think it’s called Feminist Hawk’s Nest.
But my problem, J. Durban since you want to know, is with the idea that relationship and personal failures of men are due to feminism. Hate to sound old fashioned but women haven’t changed what they like in men (strength, loyalty, affection and stability) but they have changed what they are willing to accept from men which has as much to do with the perpetual adolescence men dwell in as feminism. The PHA community and the “Men’s movement” are both manifestations of that male immaturity.
I will have to disagree Rob Taylor, feminism has led to a lot of immature behavior in women as well; look at the rise in female violence. And while stability may sometimes be rewarded it is often exploited.
Feminism didn’t put any ideas into anyone’s minds. If you want good men to step up to the plate then CHOOSE good men.
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It’s not a matter of “good” vs “bad” men. Many men throughout history who did not change diapers or take on direct infantcare roles were nonetheless “good men” who financially supported their families. I’m talking about this recent phenomena of men who take on direct infantcare roles and the men who are fighting for custody in order to be able to do.
This is due to the fact that feminism has freed men of the scorn they would have endured in previous times. Men no longer have to feel embarrassed about changing diapers or wanting to do so.
And there are still plenty of men who don’t really want to have much to do with their own children until they grow out of the pooping their pants stage. Even in today’s age, much of the infantcare is left up to the mom.
Feminism didn’t put any ideas into anyone’s minds. If you want good men to step up to the plate then CHOOSE good men.
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Patr, yes it did. Before Feminism how many men were regularly changing diapers and participating in direct infant care?
And it has nothing to do with “good” or “bad” men. My grandfathers were “good men” but I can asure you that they did not change diapers nor take on even HALF of the direct infant care my grandmothers did.
Thanks to Feminism men are EXPECTED to do their share, and they can do so without being ridiculed for it.
Even then, I still see many couples where the majority of direct infant care tasks are handled by the mom.
Lots of other men did change diapers.
Changing diapers is not the only way a man can contribute.
Many of those men in the past were probably slaving away at a job, and didn’t have time.
To answer Rob Taylor’s question, if you believe that I am high, then clearly I must be. Similarly, if you think I’m a big stupid idiot, then who am I to tell you you’re wrong?
Right?
J.Durden and others:
WHERE ARE WE GOING? (as a species)
check this:
http://vimeo.com/7857584
LOL, whom are you calling a socialist? I believe that Lady Raine works in the private sector for a private, tax-generating company. Meanwhile your idol roissy, the alleged “libertarian”, works for a quasi-government organization and sucks tax-payer teat all day long.
That is one of the funniest things to come out of this whole exposure thing — to find out that big bad “libertarian capitalist” works in the public tax-sucking sector.
What a hypocrite!
Lady Raine, Rob Taylor, everyone else –
You and I can still be friends, if you would like. You just have to agree to play by the rules of my game. That’s all. You don’t have to play my game if you don’t want to. I won’t try to change your game either.
J. Durden
We don’t want to be your friends J. That’s the thing.
No, it’s vast reserves of unused sperm.
HAPPY VALENTINE’S DAY EVERYBODY.
Maria, you can’t construct a bigger argument than that? Just Because the Roissy author works for the government, that doesn’t mean socialism and feminism aren’t connected.
Lady Rain,
The Spearhead is such an easy target, isn’t it? I mean, come on. They can’t even get their own name right! It’s obvious it should be Dickhead.
Maria –
That’s okay. You don’t have to be my friend.
I just wanted to thank Lady Raine for helping me see the truth.
She’ll probably misunderstand me and think I’m posting for traffic again, but my thanks is genuine. Without her, I wouldn’t have had that idea, so…thanks!
- “J. Durden”
No, but it does mean that roissy is a big fat hypocrite who doesn’t have the courage of his convictions.
Maria –
That’s okay. You don’t have to be my friend.
I just wanted to thank Lady Raine for helping me see the truth.
She’ll probably misunderstand me and think I’m posting for traffic again, but my thanks is genuine. Without her, I wouldn’t have had that idea, so…thanks!
- “J. Durden”
I have no idea what he’s talking about. I think he has imaginary conversations with me in his head. I really don’t understand who or where this poster came from and why he’s using ME as an example of a Feminist who represents OTHER WOMEN!!!! LMAO!
Worse yet, he keeps making weird Biblical References and I cannot take someone seriously who uses a Fictional story like the Bible to get his ideals and morals. It’s like referencing Harry Potter on the law.
I really and truly have no idea why these MRAs and PUAs continue to blog about me. I SHOULD represent the OPPOSITE of what worries them about women. I have my own job, my own income, my own home, my own child, no child support, no alimony, no welfare, and NO inclinations of getting married EVER.
I don’t understand why me NOT doing what they say “All Feminists and Women do” bothers them enough that I’m suddenly an ENEMY of men that I don’t give a fuck about one way or the other.
I mean, I think we all know that the MRAs and the PUAs are literally the bottom of the barrel and they’ll spend their lives dwindling out in numbers, whining and hating, and die alone feeling vindicated…..but no one will know it but them and the phrase “MRA” will be even more hilarious and unknown as it is now.
Men have all the rights in the world and always have. The mere CONCEPT of “Men’s Rights Activism” is just silly because its’ impossible! They have ALL RIGHTS and NO RESPONSIBILITIES as men in society now and somehow they want MORE??? They know they have more rights than they deserve and more than women ever did and still don’t have…..THAT’s their problem.
They aren’t upset at rights that men DON’T have. They’re upset at rights that women now DO have. They can’t handle fairness…..they can’t handle a semi-level playing field….they just hate women having the right to be humans. They can’t “win” that way because they’re lazy, inferior, and want to play victims. Those sorts of men like Durden, Ferdinand, Roissy, Obsidian, etc just make ALL men look inferior, lazy, whiny, and undisciplined.
I thank the Gods for the many hard working, disciplined men (like my dad) who would SPIT ON MEN who acted this way toward men OR women on this earth. Our Forefathers must seriously be rolling in their graves to see men have spiraled downward into the sludge of MRA and PUA groups. They really WOULD be sickened at how men can’t even hold down a job and provide for their families now or they’re called “Beta losers” by men who can’t get a woman, can’t get laid, and have shitty jobs (PUAs).
I’m glad men like my dad and granddad remind me that most NORMAL men are just as disgusted, shocked, and infuriated by this idiotic “false-victim” laziness by modern men as I am (and most women with a brain).
It’s obvious it should be Dickhead.</blockquote?
Their wee willies are too small to make up a whole head. The name should be Dickpinhead.
NO, sillies….it’s THEIR version of “The Fountainhead”. Where emasculated, pussy ass gays meet and pretend to be straight men with “activism” issues.
Ian–
Yes they really are, but for some reason rogue posters of theirs go off and post some huge (imaginary) blog war with me and I don’t even know who most of them are, ever read their blogs, ever spoken to them, or even had a debate with them…..worse yet…they think I’m a militant “feminist” and want ME to defend Feminism and women and argue with them about their issues all day.
I don’t understand how there can be this many freaks and losers at the Spearhead and blogging online and yet I have never met a man in real life who says these things and acts this way. I’m glad that the Spearhead boys are the types who’s moms and wives are dragging them away from the computer each night telling them to “get a goddamn job and stop laying around all day”.
Lady Raine, Rob Taylor, everyone else –
You and I can still be friends, if you would like. You just have to agree to play by the rules of my game. That’s all. You don’t have to play my game if you don’t want to. I won’t try to change your game either.
J. Durden
Friends? Your RULES??? Seriously, are you insane? I don’t even know you…..know what is wrong with you….or understand what your weird issues and “revolution” is all about….and you have RULES on top of it?
I don’t follow the rules of any society not even my own…..lmao you think I’d follow yours or someone else’s??? Please. Rules are for SOME people. Dumb people who NEED rules. For the rest of us…..we do our own thing.
Maria Says:
February 14, 2010 at 11:37 AM
HAPPY VALENTINE’S DAY EVERYBODY.
Bah humbug!
Lady Raine –
You make it hard to communicate with you when you respond to me in two different places. I responded to you on my blog, but I will offer the same response here. Perhaps in the future we can pick just one place?
I feel that you are very angry, but I am not sure who or what you are angry at. Are you angry at me? I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to make you angry.
What I did mean to do was try to talk to you, because everyone at The Spearhead said you were awful, but I like to make decisions for myself.
You have treated me very poorly and you haven’t understood me very well, but we can work through that – if you want to.
If you don’t, then there’s no point.
Potentially your friend,
John
John
The reason I am “angry” with you is because you went off on a tangent posting about me and what I “represent”……without even knowing anything about me.
You were already blogging about me quoting me as being “a married woman” and “self proclaimed mother and wife” which isn’t true and I never said.
To me that proves that you don’t even know the BASICS about me, what I believe, how I live, or what “group” I represent (which is none).
You coined me as an example of “Modern Feminism” (also not true bc I have a man’s job that I earned through hard work and not through pretending to be oppressed…..Feminists hate me and shame me for that) and yet you will immediately not only clump me in with those people, but will make me the “poster child” for women who hate me and don’t identify with me.
Like I said, I cannot even NAME a famous radical feminist or know of a radical blog and yet……I’m the spokesperson for them?
You attacked me on my own turf based on lies and assumptions you were fed by Spearhead opinion (who know nothing) and Roissy followers who literally just make shit up.
Why would you think I’d take time to communicate with someone who doesn’t even care to know if I’m actually married or not? A feminist or not? If I’m ANY of the things you have accused me of?
That’s where my anger lies with bloggers who blog about a person who does not exist.
Lady Raine –
Did you or did you not go off on a similar tangent when you accused me of being a rapist? We both failed to understand each other. We can fix this.
I am confused. You post about your family all the time. You have pictures showing you with your family on your blog, accessible from one of your sidebars. Does this or does this not make you a “self-proclaimed” wife and mother?
I am as certain you do not know the basics about me as you are certain that I do not know the basics about you.
Whether or not you identify with feminism is irrelevant to how I perceive you. Additionally, whether or not I identify with “rapists” is irrelevant to the fact that you perceive me as one. Is this making sense?
You also attacked me – repeatedly, and with much more volume – on “my own turf.” But I am forgiving. Are you?
Why would you think I would take the time to communicate with someone like you, also? And yet, here I am. Do you want to understand one another, or do you want to bicker endlessly? The choice is yours.
I can understand your anger. I just don’t agree with it.
Still potentially your friend,
John
I still like The Pinhead though.
I mean look the world may be a horrific place, but if its any conciliation the PUA army can’t make it any worse. They are going to drag women off their pedestal, and thus crush feminism? I think Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Brittney Spears and CO. have already accomplished that. Lets say the entire male population becomes PUA. By not being “betas”, they will cease investing in what gives them ACTUAL as opposed to psychological power in society. So women will have one-night stands with cavemen. Never will men have less real power if all relations are reduced to that. And anyway theres nothing secret or subversive about Roissyism, the reason it depresses you is because that is the world you already live in.
What does the future hold?
The thing about Roissyism is it combines both libertine hedonism of the current age, with a hope that the conservative patriarchy of the past shall somehow by some Hegelian dialectic be brought about by its’ opposite. So its framed that no matter what direction it goes its a lose-lose for women, and a win-win for Roissyism. If libertine hedonism keeps going on then alpha males are in heaven, and if its reversed, women are “put back in their place”. The economic landscape has changed too far. I can say with absolute certainty that there will be no Restoration. IF that genuinely is the goal that PUA is striving for, then you can rest easy, they will not reach it. In that sense be glad. IF sexual hedonism were somehow to end, it is far more likely that a New Morality, suitable to you would emerge, rather than the clock simply being turned back as Roissy hopes for. Of course I don’t really see signs of either course. For the foreseeable future it seems that libertine hedonism will be rather unopposed.
Are there any trends of change you see? The first generation of post-feminists are entering the workplace. Post-feminist in two senses. On the one hand political feminism as a movement is dormant. It is perhaps not dead, but only in hibernation, but I see no sign of feminism waking, with the exception that proves the rule, of third wave raunch, sex positive, stripper feminism. On the other hand it is post-feminist, precisely because so much of the gains of feminism have been taken for granted. And so you’ve seen Generation Y in their youth, but it be interesting to see where they take it from here. A sense of privilege and entitlement, which is so complained about, is actually a good thing to have in the workplace. In that sense you are a proud GenYer in your complaints about what it means to have a boss. 85% of employers complain that GenY employees are too pushy, demand too much, and have too much sense of entitlement. Thats a good thing. I mean on the one hand they are a very cynical, realistic, anti-idealistic generation, but on the other hand that is only on a social and collective level. On the individual level, they are perhaps the most idealistic generation in history in the belief that THEY will be a reality star. Of course the recession may very well tame and discipline them.
This is just hysteria on the part of the spearhead toddlers.
They did the same thing to me – cut and pasted things out of context, which is incredibly cowardly and libelous.
Then, of course, they banned me. More cowardice.
I don’t think anyone here has called anyone on the spearhead a rapist.
What we have clearly said repeatedly is that there are men who use PUA methods who are engaging in willful ignorance of consent, sexual assault and rape laws and thus raping women.
We did not say All Men. We did not even say ALL PUAs.
I guess the spearhead toddlers’ tiny brains cannot discern these incredibly OBVIOUS differences.
It’s very sad that the toddlers think there is a WAR between men and women.
NVC (non-violent communication) was developed by Marshall Rosenberg, PhD, and has been used successfully in actual post-war conflict resolution, truth-telling commissions and reconciliations of violent and murderous inter-group conflicts that were identity-based.
Usually the identity-based conflicts in genocidal situations are those of race or ethnicity. But, since the spearhead boys want to wage a gender war, I encourage them to first consider learning NVC and trying to make peace since a war is unnecessary.
I’ve tried using NVC with them, and they’ve proven to be not worth it, which is why I call them toddlers – they have the emotional and psychological maturity of two-year olds.
They what they want whether it’s good for them or anyone else and they want it NOW or they will have a temper tantrum.
It’s really too bad.
I still offer an open invitation to anyone at the Spearhead who wishes to engage in civil, honest communication about these issues to address me here or at my blog.
But, do understand – there has been so much lying and other bullshit at the spearhead that you will have to make it clear that you’ve abandoned those methods of communication.
Right now, the toddlers at the spearhead are living, breathing proof for the theory that the Y Chromosome is a birth defect.
I personally do not believe that is true, as I love and respect most men and know they are fully capable of being intelligent, crtiically thinking, logical, emotionally intelligence, and intellectually honest human beings.
It’s just sad to see such pathetic excuses for men.
Denise
What does the future hold?
The thing about Roissyism is it combines both libertine hedonism of the current age, with a hope that the conservative patriarchy of the past shall somehow by some Hegelian dialectic be brought about by its’ opposite. So its framed that no matter what direction it goes its a lose-lose for women, and a win-win for Roissyism. If libertine hedonism keeps going on then alpha males are in heaven, and if its reversed, women are “put back in their place”. The economic landscape has changed too far. I can say with absolute certainty that there will be no Restoration. IF that genuinely is the goal that PUA is striving for, then you can rest easy, they will not reach it.
Oh I’m not too worried about the “women being put back in homes” because of the one reason I kept mentioning to the MRAs that they don’t seem to want to answer: I said “So will you be happy when you are again judged solely on your wealth and family name and will not get a ‘good woman’ even for SEX if things go back to more traditional Patriarchy”?
I asked them if they’d be fine with the fact that without money, security, a good job, and “protector” status in the Traditional World those MRAs (and PUAs) would HAVE to have money. Would HAVE to take girls on traditional dates. Would HAVE to appeal to the parents. If they “slutted around” they’d be the butt of Old Sailor jokes. They’d never be allowed to be lazy or stay home and be dads if that was what they wanted. They couldn’t just be cads, either because virtually NO GIRLS were allowed to behave that way in traditional times.
These men think the competition is tight NOW? How well do they think they’d fare if they HAD to pay for, care for, protect, provide for, have babies and impress the woman’s WHOLE FAMILY just to have a chance at a nice girl or a family at all.
They always fall silent on those questions. That’s why I’m not worried….these guys puff each other talk of “putting women back to ___ and ___” and ending Feminism so that they can spread their manseed or whatever….but they clearly didn’t think the rest out and aren’t realizing that even if they “won”….they’d now have to compete against Alphas to be the best provider instead. I think that would be rather funny. Maybe I’ll “stay home” just to see that happen!!!
In that sense be glad. IF sexual hedonism were somehow to end, it is far more likely that a New Morality, suitable to you would emerge, rather than the clock simply being turned back as Roissy hopes for. Of course I don’t really see signs of either course. For the foreseeable future it seems that libertine hedonism will be rather unopposed.
Yeah I don’t care too much about the Hedonism or lack of it. I don’t care if these guys get laid all day….but seems that neither MRAs nor PUAs are happy with ANYTHING a woman has to offer, even if just sex….unless they can somehow abuse her and demean her. These guys are addicted to power and they think the power is in the sex. They get that little fix every time a woman says “yes” and they don’t realize how pathetic that is and how little they must think of themselves to think they only deserve a one night stand.
MRAs are almost worse because even just ‘sex’ is “letting women win” to them. They really seem to believe that there is a movement in Feminism brewing against men everywhere. They truly aren’t satisfied unless they believe that women ARE the enemy….because they know they’ll never “smite women” without smiting themselves and thus they’ll always have a cause to cover their mental illness. Their woman-hate is a way to medicate themselves and each other and that’s why I want to take their pill away. Maybe they’ll get some real help. I hope these guys aren’t mostly MY age group because this generation is really fucking embarrassing me. Weren’t any of these guys taught by their parents that “Hard word shall set you free”??? “Nothing comes free you have to earn it”??? Where are all those freaking parents? Look at MRAs and PUAs and remember that when raising your sons to be “too entitled”.
Are there any trends of change you see? The first generation of post-feminists are entering the workplace. Post-feminist in two senses. On the one hand political feminism as a movement is dormant. It is perhaps not dead, but only in hibernation, but I see no sign of feminism waking, with the exception that proves the rule, of third wave raunch, sex positive, stripper feminism. On the other hand it is post-feminist, precisely because so much of the gains of feminism have been taken for granted. And so you’ve seen Generation Y in their youth, but it be interesting to see where they take it from here. A sense of privilege and entitlement, which is so complained about, is actually a good thing to have in the workplace. In that sense you are a proud GenYer in your complaints about what it means to have a boss. 85% of employers complain that GenY employees are too pushy, demand too much, and have too much sense of entitlement. Thats a good thing. I mean on the one hand they are a very cynical, realistic, anti-idealistic generation, but on the other hand that is only on a social and collective level. On the individual level, they are perhaps the most idealistic generation in history in the belief that THEY will be a reality star. Of course the recession may very well tame and discipline them.
Sure the trends are the same ones you speak of that I have noticed (the entitlement of both genders) which I posted about in “Why People Are Assholes” and a few other posts regarding our generation. We have adults coming out of the 80′s and the excess. Parents were taught to EXTOL and compliment their children. NEVER punish or put down! Well that’s all well and good and it was to give children more confidence, but now look what we have? We have children that were raised to work for nothing and expect EVERYTHING. They were taught that “earning respect” doesn’t exist. You should just be handed it. They were taught being born a “good person” was enough to deserve a fair and happy life.
They thought they were doing something GOOD as parents, but now look what we have?!
George Morgeau said:“I mean look the world may be a horrific place, but if its any conciliation the PUA army can’t make it any worse. They are going to drag women off their pedestal, and thus crush feminism? I think Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Brittney Spears and CO. have already accomplished that. Lets say the entire male population becomes PUA. By not being “betas”, they will cease investing in what gives them ACTUAL as opposed to psychological power in society. So women will have one-night stands with cavemen. Never will men have less real power if all relations are reduced to that. And anyway theres nothing secret or subversive about Roissyism, the reason it depresses you is because that is the world you already live in.”
No, I don’t think that they’ll make the slightest difference in anything at all. The only thing they are accomplishing so far is alienating “normal women” further from themselves and alienating man against man. I mean look at the differences in the beliefs and attitudes of MRA/PUAs versus regular guys. Normal men find their ideas JUST as ridiculous as we ladies do and in many ways even MORE offensive (all the stuff about legalizing Rape and beating women) because most of those men are Dads and Brothers and Husbands. You think they believe their daughters and wives deserve a good beatin and rapin?
They’d have to actually have a large following of men AND women to have even the slightest dent in whatever it is they think will happen. These are basically the spoiled younger men and the very jaded much older men who cannot get laid and suddenly “remember” a better time (that never existed).
Basically I think that PUAs will just alienate themselves from most normal men and dwindle out simply because they’re ignored and mocked by MOST men and women and also because there is no academic, political, or even social reason for their “way of life” to succeed outside their circle and thus…it won’t.
You’re sure obsessed with toddlers, Denise.
Lady Raine, I thought you’d get a kick out of the following comment I found on a MRA blog wherein men are complaining about E-harmony’s anti-male policies. Appearantly this male commenter has issues with the anti-male policies of public transportation as well… LOL:……………
Your mention of women only subway cars reminded me of something that pisses me off every time I get in the car up here in the Great Northwest. Pink lighting on ALL the buses. Every last one! They leave a little section at the back with regular white lights as some sort of consolation to the guys, and an unstated, you need to go to the back of the bus and get off as quickly as you possibly can.
For those that don’t know, pink lighting is used to highlight acne and make those with it feel uncomfortable and self conscious. And who has acne? Yup. Men.
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Classic.
From:
http://elusivewapiti.blogspot.com/2010/02/ever-expanding-chick-ghetto.html
LR EDIT: It IS hilarious!! I don’t know if these men don’t understand how it works or something, but I have never even dated a single man with a child or a previously married man and I’m a single mother. Do they mistakenly think it’s harder to get relationships or dates with single men if you have a child? It isn’t. As long as you are clearly financially stable YOURSELF and not looking for a “baby daddy” I have never had a single man even blink an eye at my having a son.
Second, I already got my asshole chewed out on that post Assanova did about me by that commenter that was ENRAGED that I have had a child for 6 years and have never dated another single dad or a man with kids. The person was SO ANGRY and kept saying “Don’t you understand your options are LIMITED NOW?” and then “Maybe men don’t WANT to deal with a kid, ever think of that?”
I was like…..ummm….what??? As if I TRICK single men into dating me? You can tell be the seething rage and jealousy there that it was a female commenter thats pissed that even as a single mother for 6 years, I still have never dated anything other than a young, single man (I told her that she’s clearly angry that even with a child I can land men she can’t land single and childless). I really WOULD consider dating a guy with kids I guess….but it hasn’t happened and I’ve never really thought about it before.
I don’t think most people realize that “single moms” don’t go and date “single dads” or divorcees. Most of us date the same men we’ve always dated.
Example: My sister is 34 years old and has FOUR CHILDREN. She has been divorced for a long time and she has a boyfriend who is 5 years younger than her, attractive, smart, and he has no problem with her four kids.
Men like to believe that OTHER men avoid single moms and such….and I’m sure some do….but not that I’ve seen thus far in single momdom. I’ve seen improvement in the quality of the men I attract, though. They’re usually more mature and responsible and WANT to be involved with a child and his mom.
Well what do you make of the fact that on internet forums and blogs at least Roissy PUAism has become the new paradigm of male dating? And almost everyone even on sites unrelated to PUA, swear this stuff works?
Whether actually objectively “true” or not, Roissyism is the ideology of this historical era.
Well what do you make of the fact that on internet forums and blogs at least Roissy PUAism has become the new paradigm of male dating? And almost everyone even on sites unrelated to PUA, swear this stuff works?
Whether actually objectively “true” or not, Roissyism is the ideology of this historical era.
Exactly! Men WILL use it and not care that it works for various reasons including it’s fraudulent, deceptive, coercive, negative, shallow, and sleazy. Many men seem to NOT CARE (that we’ve spoken to) as to whether it could/has harmed the woman they’re gaming or not. They always answer that they should be able to “sleep with beautiful women by any means necessary”.
I doubt that most men will start acting like this, though because I think the world would notice if every formerly attractive, manly type suddenly started using lines, wearing black eyeliner, and skinny jeans and lying about his age. Naturally confident and respectful men would never USE Game no matter how well it worked because they don’t need it…..and those are “normal” men who would quickly come to the same conclusion most OTHER normal men have come to “Well….sure it helps you get laid sometimes and that’s nice for awhile….but that’s about it. Not worth all the work just to sleep with one more girl a week, a month, a year”
Like I said, these PUAs see it as a weapon against women. That’s problem NUMBER ONE. If you think you need a “weapon” against the opposite gender, there is something WRONG with your BRAIN. These guys don’t want to believe that and so they’ve turned to whatever guy tells them they’re “normal and progressive” instead of “insane and a sexual addict in need of professional treatment”.
I think most men are smart enough that much like a shitty new cologne that everyone tries (remember CK ONE?)….they realize it smells bad no matter WHAT bells and whistles are on it….and they’ll throw it away just like the bad unisex cologne, the Extenze Pills, and the Bowflex that they’ve never used.
I think most men are rational and would eventually feel like an idiot in an infomercial. Because really….that’s all it is…the Seduction stuff. These men are using the same “suggestive selling” techniques that large hotel/restaurant owners have their bartenders, waitresses, and staff learn to sell more expensive food/beverages:
They teach them to STATE and SAY and NEVER ask or suggest.
WRONG WAY: “What kind of Vodka would you like in that Martini?”
(That allows them to say “Whatever your House brand is” and spend less money. It also allows them to name ANY vodka that isn’t necessarily any more expensive than the House brand)
Right Way: “Will you be having Kettel One or Grey Goose in your Martini today, sir?”
(That allows nothing other than saying “kettel one” or “grey goose”. You have TOLD him his options and since you stated it in that way he’d have to actually ASK for something cheaper (which most men will not do and thus you’ve sold a really expensive martini)
They teach it at even regular bars and Corporate Restaurants as a casual part of the training. It’s all just more ways to get people to be afraid or intimidated to say “no” to whatever you’re offering. PUA’s try to make it like they discovered some secret of the ladies that only THEY know. They didn’t “discover” anything….all they did is stop caring about anyone but themselves and employ a little behavioral conditioning (Pavlov’s Dogs) and some suggestive selling and they’ve got their PUA Manual.
I’m hoping they’ll make a show rehabilitating those guys much like that dumb reality show, “Tool Academy” where they rehabilitate douchebag boyfriends.
Surely you know that most PUAs lie through their teeth on the Internet about the number and quality of their “conquests,” including Wiedmann.
MRAs and PUAs keep talking about this “Wile E Coyote” moment…. whatever that is. It’s supposed to mean that moment when women wake up to the fact that they’ve “hit the wall”… are now past their “prime” and have to either “settle” for a “beta” who is MUCH older than them, or resign themselves to a life indoors with their cats.
(I’ve never quite gotten this “cat thing”. I’m allergic myself and can’t stand them, and I know a lot of women who feel the same, but somehow OFC, Online Frustrated Chumps, think we are all ga-ga over cats)
Back to this “Wile E Coyote moment” that we women are all supposed to feel the day we hit 30 or 35…..
Does any woman here have experience with that? I’ve asked around at work and in my social scene and they are all like, “what? sheeeeet….. we are JUST BEGINNING to live now”.
So somehow these men have whipped themselves into a frenzy and are shaking with rage that women in their 30s, 40s and beyond, single moms with kids, etc, are ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE NOT: pull dates, STRs, LTRs and even marriage…. from men within their same age ranges, sometimes even younger, and single men WITHOUT kids….. even when they are single moms in their 30s and above.
What is it that women have that men don’t that allow them this ability?
A luxurious full head of hair until the day they die? Perhaps. Many men start to bald even in their 20s.
Or could it be that these men nurse a false belief that they HAVE A RIGHT and SHOULD be able to pull young women fresh out of college – no matter their own age, station in life, status as single or divorced, child-free or not, bald or with hair????
What young woman in her 20s wants to “hook up” and be in a relationship with a middle aged, balding Dad with a bitter but simultaneously spoiled, privelged attitude?
Thought so.
On the other hand if these men sought out women THEIR OWN AGE and quite frankly, even older, they MIGHT be able to find a woman willing. And I say “might” simply because when these women can land men they prefer, what would they “settle” for less? So even though it is not likely they would land even these women, I’m willing to concede that there chances would be slightly better.
And this is what pisses them off about you, Lady Raine, and women like you. They want to believe that because you are a single Mom, that you can’t get dates either – just like they can’t.
They are furious with the un-fairness of it all.
I kind of feel sorry for them because it does indeed seem unfair, but that’s how the cookie crumbles.
He he, Desi, check out the “beta chumps” these women “settled” for when they hit their 30s or close to it:
Mary Donaldson, aka Crown Princess Mary of Denmark, married the future King of Denmark at age 32 (in addition to being a future king, her husband is quite good-looking): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_Crown_Princess_of_Denmark
Letizia Ortiz, Princess of the Asturias, was a divorcee and 31 when she married the future King of Spain (a total hunk in addition to being a future king): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letizia,_Princess_of_Asturias
Crown Princess Maxima of The Netherlands married her (not bad-looking, same age) future King when she was 31: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_M%C3%A1xima_of_the_Netherlands
Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway married her (same age group, looks like a young Roy Scheider) future King when she was 29 AND A SINGLE MOTHER just like our blog mistress):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mette-Marit,_Crown_Princess_of_Norway
Princess Angela of Licthenstein snagged her prince when she was 41, and he was 11 years younger than she was (true, her husband is only a second son, not a future monarch, but he is a prince and his family are billionaires): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Angela_of_Liechtenstein
Then of course there is the champ of champs, Wallis Warfield Simpson, twice-divorced, who “settled” for the King of England as her third husband when she was 40: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallis,_Duchess_of_Windsor
It’s funny how all these “aging” women just didn’t seem to understand their “low value” in the “sexual marketplace.”
It’s supposed to mean that moment when women wake up to the fact that they’ve “hit the wall”… are now past their “prime” and have to either “settle” for a “beta” who is MUCH older than them, or resign themselves to a life indoors with their cats.
Admittedly I waited for that shit. Like waiting for a shoe to drop on my head…..the whole “having a kid kills your value and dating chances” thing.
It never happened and still hasn’t and I’ve been a mom for 6 years now. I really did think I’d have more issues with finding “single men” and hotties, but being a mom thus far has not made even ONE guy I have ever dated or had a LTR with reject me or deny me or even keep me at “arms length” because of my son.
I also waited for the wall hitting as I went through my twenties……haven’t seen any decline in the hottness or quality of men that are attracted to me, so at this point I know for a fact that:
1. Having a kid has not made dating harder nor limited my man pool. I still date younger, single men.
2. Being almost 30 hasn’t changed the quality or quantity of male attention nor has it been harder to find a LTR
Thus I have to believe by my own personal experience that there is no truth to any of their ridiculous “forebodings” and “warnings”.
Basically I think its obvious to any man or woman who’s perceptive that these guys WANT us to be afraid and “settle” for them. They WANT us to make them our “Beta Provider”. They’re angry that even having a “handicap” (like being a single mom or being 30) doesn’t make women like me any more likely to date their retarded asses.
They mock cougars, single moms, divorcees, and any woman over 30.
What does that tell you? They basically are angry that those women already “had their chance” and are still successfully dating whether with kids……as an older cougar……a divorcee….whatever the case.
They figure they can scare and shame us into “needing them”. Sorry boys, but me having a gorgeous son makes me MORE PICKY not less.
That kills them that some women don’t have “age fear” or “baby clocks ticking”. I don’t care about aging because its part of life and I don’t have a “baby clock” because I’m done having kids.
I think that’s there bigggest fear. Women like me who have the kids I want and really ARE free to date just for companionship.
It enrages them and makes them hate any woman who can do what they cannot.
They figure they can scare and shame us into “needing them”.
………….. You’ve hit the nail on the (spear)head!
That is exactly right. But in an age where a 41-year-old black woman from a Third World country can snag a young, handsome, billionaire-prince (see Princess Angela above), how effective are their scare tactics?
He doesn’t look 11 years younger than her. Black people are lucky. Black don’t crack!
@Maria- girl you sure know how to bring it. LOL
@desi- yea I was thinking the same thing. He actually looks a bit older. Funny how she was able to kick out a kid after 40 too.
Willard libby I think the husband should have been more assertive about defending his wife from this stalker months ago.
I can’t see myself being passive with a guy like this bothering my wife or girlfriend. He should have turned the tables and gone stalking the stalker.
Bravo
There are men who would just stand by and not do anything, those men will lose the respect of their wives and girlfriends. Some men won’t do anything because their girlfriends believe “they can handle it”. Complete and utter hogwash. The average woman cannot handle the average man without the help of another man.
Desi Back in the 1950’s men were laughed at and called “sissies” for partaking in childcare like changing diapers
*chic noir clears throat and looks at doug1*
@desi- you make me giggle every day. The links you manage to find. I lol at the resemblance between the two lady raines.
Anonymous Willard Libby is Lady Black Cock because any mention of it sends him into a frothing-at-the-mouth commenting tizzy.
I don’t understand why he behaves like that either. It’s crazy to be that obsessed. There is something lurking deep inside of Willard.
LR Chic Noir is “Lady Earth” (because she is forever the fair and grounded diplomat)
*chic noir takes a bow
LR, If you don’t want to “settle”, fine, but why do women expect deference from men they are not attracted to?
Maria, those women in your example are royals and rich, powerful people. That doesn’t entirely apply to regular people.
Not the women. Did you read the links I posted? They were all women from average backgrounds. Why didn’t all those European princes, all of whom have a higher “dating market value” than even a non-titled billionaire, choose 19-year-old supermodels like your “evo-pscyh” dogma says they should have?
Maybe they saw what happened when Prince Charles married a 19-year-old, dimwitted, high-school dropout, he he he.
Patr333x, not all of those women come from monited families patr333x
And even if they DID come from moneyed backgrounds, (which most of them did NOT) why would the princes choose them ahead of much younger women from moneyed backgrounds?
“Willard Libby is Lady Black Cock because any mention of it sends him into a frothing-at-the-mouth commenting tizzy.”
“I don’t understand why he behaves like that either. It’s crazy to be that obsessed. There is something lurking deep inside of Willard. ”
……..Maybe it’s black cock???
Patr333x, if a woman is Playboy material, is economically independent and is divorced/single mother/above thirty and want to be your girlfriend, would you accept her ? Because I know that many MRAs would not because they have too high standards.
Desi said:
Back to this “Wile E Coyote moment” that we women are all supposed to feel the day we hit 30 or 35…..
Does any woman here have experience with that? I’ve asked around at work and in my social scene and they are all like, “what? sheeeeet….. we are JUST BEGINNING to live now”.
And I say:
You are completely right: I am going 40 and I am much prettier, culter, better off and self-assured than I was at 20´s. And men like me more and feel more attraction to me; they can believe it or not, but this is true, and every woman knows it.
Life your lives, take a good time at 20s and 30s´and get marry (only if you want) at 40.
Has anybody noticed that the roissy-pig seems to have had a significant falling off of his commentariat? A lot of the regulars seem to have left, and most of the comment threads are shorter and very repetitive, and include a lot of the same people posting over and over again.
(I sent this to the man himself, but I guess he’s just too modest to print it, ‘cos that’s just the kind of guy he is.
Here it is, cut and pasted below for your enlightenment and edification.
Respect the cock.
If you didn’t already.)
An Open Letter To Jim ‘Roissy’ Weidmann
Dark Lord and King Of Game
Hey, Roissy,
Since you like ugly truths, I thought you’d appreciate this one.
For a long time, I thought The X Factor and American Idol’s Simon Cowell was the ultimate definition of alpha male. With his mega bucks, world fame, unlimited power and sure-fire ability to fuck any woman he wanted. So I was shocked to read he was finally getting married – to a woman of 36.
How could this be? According to the unquestioned wisdom of your good self and your equally intelligent, insightful followers, only beta males would even dream of dating or marrying a woman over 21. But then I started to realise more horrifying truths. Countless other alpha males around the world had love lives which bore no resemblence to your expertly prescribed template.
Robbie Williams was engaged to a thirtysomething. Rod Stewart was married to a thirtysomething. President Nicholas Sarkozy of France had married a forty one year old. Sir Conrad Black the newspaper billionaire had married a fortysomething. Bill Gates had married a thirtysomething. Prince Charles of the English royal family had married a FIFTYsomething. The list went on and on, but you take my point (other names on the list – James Cameron, David Beckham, Jose Mourinho, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Johnny Depp, Charles Saatchi, Steven Spielberg, Mick Jagger, Tony Blair, Sir Paul McCartney, Barack Obama…)
For a second, I almost doubted your greatness and insight. But then it dawned on me and I saw the light. And I realised that the definition of a true alpha male is not being an internationally famous billionaire with the power of life and death over hundreds of thousands of fellow human beings. Or being a worldwide sex symbol adored by red blooded women everywhere, and having beautiful babes throwing themselves at your feet every day of your life. It’s not about being a rock star, or a leader of men, or a visionary talent, or living in a Hollywood Hills mansion, or driving a fleet of Ferraris.
The definition of a true alpha male is writing a fucked up, woman hating, intensely disturbing blog for bitter virginal losers and scary misfits who want to be serial killers but haven’t got the balls. Full of junior high level evo-psych bullshit, implausible stories obsessed with power, control and sexual domination, and thinly veiled projection issues transferring your own glaringly obvious insecurities onto the ladies.
And then I realised that your readers are also alpha males. Because spending all your spare time on some fucked up blog spewing wishful-thinking sado-masochistic venom – with one hand jacking off furiously down your grubby XXXXL sized K-Mart pants – is the mark of a true man.
Take your regular commenter xsplat, for example. At a casual glance, he could be mistaken for a deluded sicko who thinks he’s Ernest Hemingway, but is actually more like the dandruff flecked smelly child molester that hangs out round the local school playground fumbling in the depths of his filthy overcoat – and is so fucking disturbing than Thomas Harris ought to write a book about his sick ass. But no, that’s an alpha male for you. Much more so than that pussy-whipped herb Simon Cowell – who’s probably never beaten up a financially desperate under age third world whore with zero self-esteem and major mental health problems in his lame, pathetic beta-male life.
All hail Roissy the Great – alpha male, sexual visionary and legend of the modern age. And not a sad little twisted middle-aged closet-case white-collar pussy who has the world view and sexual insight of a bitter tenth-grade virgin, and whose sole abilities lie in two areas – a – picking up insecure drunken skanks in shitty meat market bars, which a trained chimp could do if it knew how to pinch asses and buy drinks, and b – kicking off circle jerks for a bunch of mentally disturbed George Sodini wannabes who couldn’t get a fuck in a brothel and are even more pitiful than their revered Jedi master.
I bow to the feet of the Dark Lord. Truly, you have shown me the Matrix.
A Disciple
“(I sent this to the man himself, but I guess he’s just too modest to print it, ‘cos that’s just the kind of guy he is.
Here it is, cut and pasted below for your enlightenment and edification.
Respect the cock.
If you didn’t already.)
An Open Letter To Jim ‘Roissy’ Weidmann
Dark Lord and King Of Game
Hey, Roissy,
Since you like ugly truths, I thought you’d appreciate this one.
For a long time, I thought The X Factor and American Idol’s Simon Cowell was the ultimate definition of alpha male. With his mega bucks, world fame, unlimited power and sure-fire ability to fuck any woman he wanted. So I was shocked to read he was finally getting married – to a woman of 36.
How could this be? According to the unquestioned wisdom of your good self and your equally intelligent, insightful followers, only beta males would even dream of dating or marrying a woman over 21. But then I started to realise more horrifying truths. Countless other alpha males around the world had love lives which bore no resemblence to your expertly prescribed template.
Robbie Williams was engaged to a thirtysomething. Rod Stewart was married to a thirtysomething. President Nicholas Sarkozy of France had married a forty one year old. Sir Conrad Black the newspaper billionaire had married a fortysomething. Bill Gates had married a thirtysomething. Prince Charles of the English royal family had married a FIFTYsomething. The list went on and on, but you take my point (other names on the list – James Cameron, David Beckham, Jose Mourinho, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Johnny Depp, Charles Saatchi, Steven Spielberg, Mick Jagger, Tony Blair, Sir Paul McCartney, Barack Obama…)
For a second, I almost doubted your greatness and insight. But then it dawned on me and I saw the light. And I realised that the definition of a true alpha male is not being an internationally famous billionaire with the power of life and death over hundreds of thousands of fellow human beings. Or being a worldwide sex symbol adored by red blooded women everywhere, and having beautiful babes throwing themselves at your feet every day of your life. It’s not about being a rock star, or a leader of men, or a visionary talent, or living in a Hollywood Hills mansion, or driving a fleet of Ferraris.
The definition of a true alpha male is writing a fucked up, woman hating, intensely disturbing blog for bitter virginal losers and scary misfits who want to be serial killers but haven’t got the balls. Full of junior high level evo-psych bullshit, implausible stories obsessed with power, control and sexual domination, and thinly veiled projection issues transferring your own glaringly obvious insecurities onto the ladies.
And then I realised that your readers are also alpha males. Because spending all your spare time on some fucked up blog spewing wishful-thinking sado-masochistic venom – with one hand jacking off furiously down your grubby XXXXL sized K-Mart pants – is the mark of a true man.
Take your regular commenter xsplat, for example. At a casual glance, he could be mistaken for a deluded sicko who thinks he’s Ernest Hemingway, but is actually more like the dandruff flecked smelly child molester that hangs out round the local school playground fumbling in the depths of his filthy overcoat – and is so fucking disturbing than Thomas Harris ought to write a book about his sick ass. But no, that’s an alpha male for you. Much more so than that pussy-whipped herb Simon Cowell – who’s probably never beaten up a financially desperate under age third world whore with zero self-esteem and major mental health problems in his lame, pathetic beta-male life.
All hail Roissy the Great – alpha male, sexual visionary and legend of the modern age. And not a sad little twisted middle-aged closet-case white-collar pussy who has the world view and sexual insight of a bitter tenth-grade virgin, and whose sole abilities lie in two areas – a – picking up insecure drunken skanks in shitty meat market bars, which a trained chimp could do if it knew how to pinch asses and buy drinks, and b – kicking off circle jerks for a bunch of mentally disturbed George Sodini wannabes who couldn’t get a fuck in a brothel and are even more pitiful than their revered Jedi master.
I bow to the feet of the Dark Lord. Truly, you have shown me the Matrix.
A Disciple
I’m genuinely confused as to this mystery poster. I figured it was Desi under another name as usual, but the IP is not familiar to me……
That’s a great post, but I’m sure much like Hugh Ristik (Game Teacher) and his questions to Roissy about his abusive posts toward women….it will never get answered or posted. He’s the KING of moderation, deletion, editing, and ignoring valid questions.
“A Roissy Disciple” …..whoever you are….I read and re-read your post and cannot stop wiping the tears of laughter (and truth) from my eyes. I sincerely bow to your superior insult and put-down skills.
That’s a hilarious and great fucking post….it really is. Thanks for making me laugh uproariously today! A day without laughter is a day without life.
Hilarious. And yes, similar to the post I made which pointed out that most of the crown princes of Europe had married thirty-something women as well.
A Roissy Disciple Says:
I like roissy’s blog as entertainment but that was a nice bit of trash talking you did.
But Simon Cowell is a homo. He’s a closet homosexual who has been protected for years by his media control buddy Max Clifford.
Also, the high status males you mentioned are in fact beta males in many ways. Just because they have money and status doesn’t change the fact that they have strong beta male tendencies.
LOL, most women would not give a shit if a handsome European billionaire prince with a thousand-year-old name, crown jewels, titles and castles to offer his wife was a “beta” or an “alpha.”
“Mystery” has more value in the “sexual marketplace” than the future King of Spain?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Did anyone see the latest post over at the roissy-thing’s blog? It’s all about how PUAs can’t keep a regular girlfriend. It’s hysterical.
The reason they can’t keep a regular girlfriend is because they are LOSERS just like my Latino Loser ex-boyfriend. They can attract a woman for a night of fun but they can’t hang onto an LTR because they are sub-standard LOSERS as any woman who spends any time with them at all can discern.
From his body language on the show I believe his real love is Paula Abdul. He even admitted how much he missed her recently. For some reason he couldn’t or wouldn’t make the final connection — maybe because she’s a a looney nad a hopeless drug addict.
But Simon Cowell is a homo. He’s a closet homosexual who has been protected for years by his media control buddy Max Clifford.
From his body language on the show I believe his real love is Paula Abdul. He even admitted how much he missed her recently. For some reason he couldn’t or wouldn’t make the final connection — maybe because she’s a a looney nad a hopeless drug addict.
LOL, I’m still waiting for Tom Cruise to come out and you guys are already expecting Simon Cowell??? I really hated American Idol because I hate Pop Music and the only time I’d watch it is when everyone else does– the early episodes where people that suck make themselves look like idiots and get their dreams crushed by Simon…..but I never got a “Gaydar” reading from him….he’s British though so it’s hard to tell anyhow.
“Did anyone see the latest post over at the roissy-thing’s blog? It’s all about how PUAs can’t keep a regular girlfriend. It’s hysterical.”
The reason they can’t keep a regular girlfriend is because they are LOSERS just like my Latino Loser ex-boyfriend. They can attract a woman for a night of fun but they can’t hang onto an LTR because they are sub-standard LOSERS as any woman who spends any time with them at all can discern.”
I make it a rule to NOT go there more than once every two weeks for no MORE than 20 minutes maximum so that I can remain relatively rational and not be overcome by disgust, anger, and disdain on a daily basis (which is what happens if you read there a lot).
You’d think it would be OBVIOUS why they cannot keep a girlfriend. They “pretend” that they just HAVE to “kick the woman out after sex” when in truth it’s because they know that THEY are the ones who are only good for a “one night stand” and cannot handle rejection, thus it’s easier to “kick them out FIRST” to save their precious egos from the repeated dumpings, cheatings, and rejection they’d get if a woman spent more than one night with them.
They pretend that THEY don’t want to see what the woman has to offer……but the truth is that THEY don’t have anything to offer that exceeds 12 hours except a penis and a warm body. I don’t get how ANYONE gets a sense of “what they’re worth” by how much sex they have, how many partners, or even WHO will have sex with you. Getting or not getting sex is not any sort of indication of how “manly” or “feminine” you are nor is it a good indicator of your desirability as a mate or partner and these guys just don’t seem to catch onto the fact that being a “one night stand only” as a man is just as much of a “gross out” factor to women as a slutty woman is to a man seeking a meaningful LTR.
No woman with sense or options finds out that “her man” is a dirty bird, has slept around with every woman, and “rawdogs” because he’s an idiot stuck in 1965…..and is TURNED ON or IMPRESSED by a man who is dirty sexually and has slept around.
Even when I’m NOT in a monogamous relationship and am just dating a guy, if I find out he had sex with another woman, it’s over. Not because I’m jealous and not because I want him to be my boyfriend……because if he’s fucking more than one woman at once he’s DIRTY and has a DIRTY DICK!
What woman considers “dirty dick” as manly??? God, these people make me feel like a Nun!
LOL, most women would not give a shit if a handsome European billionaire prince with a thousand-year-old name, crown jewels, titles and castles to offer his wife was a “beta” or an “alpha.”
“Mystery” has more value in the “sexual marketplace” than the future King of Spain?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Not to mention that I doubt a “rich and handsome Prince” keeps trying to kill himself like Mystery.
Cowell isn’t gay. They’re just grasping at straws to explain why their “evo-psych/sexual marketplace” crap keeps getting proven wrong.
Exactly LR. Who would marry Roissy, Mystery or RoosV?
Willard, Cowell is obviously an uber-dominant guy if there ever was one. He totally dominates the other judges, and the contestants know that he is top dog as well (they hold up signs saying “Let me sing for Simon.” I’ve never seen any sign that says “Let me sing for Randy” or Paula.) He built a mega-fortune out of nothing but his own personal moxie, like that is a totally “gay” thing to do.
I remember a couple seasons back when some weirdo who was auditioning lunged at Paula and started making suggestive/inappropriate comments to her. Cowell immediately got up and barked “get out of here right now” in a very commanding voice, while both Randy and Paula just sat there like lumps on a log and did nothing.
He’s also very gentlemenly toward women and I imagine that if he ever saw the roissy-thing hitting a woman in the face, he’d jump up and bark “get out of here” just like he did on the show.
I think this post by the Roissy Disciple is hilarious.
Thank you for your kind comments. I dearly wish I could identify myself,
but am somewhat apprehensive about ‘coming out’ (a little like the Dark Lord himself, some may say – although such people are clearly jealous of his effortless charm, mature three-dimensional view of sexual politics, and delightful well-balanced readers who grow more sane and likeable with every passing psychotic breakdown.)
Consider me a latter day Scarlet Pimpernel.
To the gentleman who informed me that Cowell et alia are not true alpha males, simply wealthy and successful and adored by women – sir, with respect, you are doing nothing but repeating the point I have already made. The very idea that anyone could consider the likes of Simon Cowell, Sir Conrad Black, Rod Stewart or Mick Jagger to be an ‘alpha male’ is nothing short of ludicrous.
I have it on excellent authority that none of these gentlemen have any frightening bitterness towards women, pent-up hatred and Sodini-esque attitudes of ‘it’s-not-fair-why-won’t-the-whore-cunt-bitches-fuck-me.’ They don’t own a single, solitary emo-dick black nail varnish or ridiculous floppy ‘Mystery’ style hat among the lot of them. And – most damningly of all – none of them spend approximately fourteen hours a day posting their warped care-in-the-community ramblings on Roissy DC.
Their vast riches, unlimited power, immense desirability and millions of adoring female fans are but hollow consolation prizes for the emptiness at the heart of their soul. Deep inside, they are haunted by the terrible knowledge that they shall never have the opportunity to spend hours on Roissy’s blog while wanking away like frenzied monkeys in their parents’ grubby basements – as they enjoy the elite privilege of drooling discussions regarding the tightness of fourteen year olds’ pussies and the delights of pissing on their imaginary girlfriend’s face with the urbane, intelligent, not-drooling-lunatics-at-all likes of xsplat and epebophile.
Johnny Depp, you are nothing but a pathetic beta provider – and you can but aspire to the glamorous lifestyle and sexual opportunities possessed by the enlightened members of the Roissysphere. Crawl away to your £20 million villa with your devastatingly beautiful French pop star wife, pursued by adoring paparazzi and besotted teenage groupies – and cry your pitiful self to sleep as you realise you will never, never, never be a sexually twisted little under-achieving lower middle management finance nerd who looks like a cross between Louis Theroux’s wimpier kid brother and something pale and clammy that lives underneath a rock.
I agree with you whole-heartedly, sir. As my original post made clear.
Do pay attention.
A Disciple
LOL, how true. We ARE jealous of the overwhelming wonderful yummy goodness and perfection of the roissy minions.
Hey look everybody! Dakota Fanning is turning 16! She’s now in the target demographic for the “roissysphere.” Jack, xplat and Gannon take note!
http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/dakota-fanning/145741
I popped a kidney on this one.
Guys tell themselves all kinds of things to get through the day I guess. Though I can see that celebrities and other extremely wealthy and powerful people have problems, I’m not going to claim higher social status than say, Madonna just because my former bitches are less messed up than hers.
Not defining your basic value as a human based on mass appeal is a good thing. Using the same measure as the masses to define yourself is a bad idea. I think this is why Roissy is conflicted. Push that dissonance button, and he freaks out.
Dang…wrong post. That response was supposed to be for the disciple.
“Men have all the rights in the world and always have. The mere CONCEPT of “Men’s Rights Activism” is just silly because its’ impossible! They have ALL RIGHTS and NO RESPONSIBILITIES as men in society now. . .”
LR:
The statement that “men” have “all” the rights IN THE WORLD and “always” have, does not stand upon its own evidence. Moreover, I would characterize that statement as a semantic fail.
The statement that “they” have “all” rights and no responsibilities in “society” “now” similarly fails.
I would recommended that both of those statements be rewritten to make your meaning clear.
In addition, the mere CONCEPT of “men’s rights activism” is not ‘impossible’.
A lot of people seem to harbor that concept, ergo, it is in fact possible.
A better strategy might be to say, that in your personal opinion, the concept of men’s rights activism” is not valid.
fidelbogen–
I meant exactly what I said. There are no laws that are only oppressive to “men” and there never have been. The list of laws and rights women did NOT have, on the other hand is very, very long and is historical fact. So I do think the idea that men need “reform and more rights” is ridiculous because they say they are under “matriarchal laws”. That is also 100% false because in order for that to be true there would have to be similar laws against men as there were against women such as:
1. Being the property of their wives
2. Women being allowed to beat and rape their husbands and male relatives
3. Men not having the right to vote
4. Men not having the right to own property or have income
5. Men being legally considered second-class citizens with less rights then a convicted felon
6. Men not being allowed to work and KEEP the money they earn
Do any of those laws against “men” exist? No. Have they ever? No.
Therefore men still have exactly the same rights they have always had, while women still have much work to do since we still earn significantly less for the same job, receive less Social Security, pay more for health insurance, and are still turned down for certain jobs based on gender.
What jobs are men turned down for based on their gender? None.
Are men expected to bear ALL birth control, pregnancy, and STD prevention? No, women are. That’s inequality.
Are men expected to both raise and pay for any and all children they may create? No. Women are. Men MIGHT have to send a check and help out at worst.
Are men required to go through and pay for abortion? The adoption process? Pregnancy and delivery? No. Are they even required to BE there or kick in on those things? No.
So please name any laws that are unfairly skewed against men that need “reform” because they ONLY oppress males. And then also tell me the many laws that exist/have existed that name women “superior” to men. There are none.
There has never been a Matriarchy in the United States and that is the entire foundation of the Men’s Rights Activism argument. They constantly say that there are laws making men second class citizens and that is 100% untrue. They also claim they live in a Matriarchy that oppresses men. That is also 100% untrue.
And thus far, I have never seen a website, blog, or forum that is truly about keeping men EQUAL to women. Not a single one. All are about how men ARE superior and deserve to be given back the special treatment and unearned rights they used to have. They also seek to actively oppress women, hate women, and typically speak often about how all rights to women should be reversed and set back to the way they were.
Obviously, women are equal to men. We’ve proved it in the job market, education, and parenting by succeeding and excelling at all of them. There is no argument to that. And it’s also obvious that women would rather die then ever be enslaved to men again.
What’s next? White former slaveowners complaining that they need their “old rights” back? That they had it “bad” as slaveowners, too? That the Blacks “benefitted” from slavery?
It’s just as ludicrous and ridiculous as men saying they have “no rights” and that Feminism somehow oppresses them. Feminism allows both men and women to compete for the same jobs, same status, same income, same family rights, etc…..the men who are complaining are just the ones who are “losing” and think that having a dick somehow entitles them to an easy life. It doesn’t and never should have and men have not suffered any loss because of Feminism other then being forced to act responsible like women, take care of their families like women, and earn their jobs/income the same way as women. How is that unfair in any way to men?
Women don’t have to answer to men. We don’t owe them sex, love, gratitude, or respect unless they show it to us in return. MRAs openly hate and disrespect women. They are 100% sexists and typically are violent domestic abusers and deadbeats. If they’d present something other then delusion, hate, and bitterness maybe they’d have an argument but until that magical day…..
It’s a totally imaginary argument on their part. Women will never tolerate being shit on by men ever again and the MRAs are simply pissed that they can’t have a free maid and baby factory anymore. Waaah. They have to earn those things and no woman wants to do maid’s work, be a breed mare, or a fuck buddy.
Their biggest problem is that they need to pay hookers, stop complaining, or leave. They have every choice in the world and choose to fail. I see no reason to feel empathy for lazy assholes. Sorry, but no.
“So please name any laws that are unfairly skewed against men that need “reform””.
VAWA.
“So please name any laws that are unfairly skewed against men that need “reform””.
VAWA.
Fidelbogen supports woman-beating criminals by saying that “VAWA” is unfair to MEN??? *Wow, what a psychopath*:
VAWA???
How fucking DARE you call that “sexist against men”. Is it also “sexist against men” to profile them FIRST for crimes like Rape and Murder? It’s not sexist to comprehend that men make up a majority of violent criminals.
Again that’s a fact. So are you denying that men SHOULD be profiled FIRST since they are the perpetrators of most violent crimes? Are you denying that women are a majority of the VICTIMS of Domestic Violence and Rape?
You are also clearly NOT familiar with American Law.
I’m assuming you are from the United States and HERE police are required to arrest any party who physically attacked their partner.
If the man has marks on him and the woman does NOT, the police are required by law to arrest the woman for Domestic Violence and charge her with the crime whether the man WANTS her to be charged or not.
In the same way, the police are required to arrest the man if ONLY the woman has marks on her and charge him with Domestic Violence whether the woman WANTS charges pressed or not.
Police who show any favoritism toward EITHER party based on gender are considered “dirty cops” here in the United States and they are NOT following the law. So now our “laws” are to blame for dirty cops who are actively BREAKING the law?
No. Those cops are to blame and there should be more Federally enforced standards for ALL police to behave in exactly the same manner and they should (in my opinion) have NO discretion on any crime scene. Period. That’s ONE thing that does, indeed need to be changed. Police are not trustworthy enough to allow them any discretionary choice relating to arrests and prosecuting crimes properly.
That is to prevent any man or woman from “threatening” their partner and forcing them to NOT press charges. Instead the police are now REQUIRED to press charges to alleviate that threat for BOTH PARTIES.
And if both the man AND the woman have marks on them, the police are allowed to use their discretion and either arrest BOTH parties and charge them BOTH with Domestic Violence……OR let them BOTH go since they are both equally guilty of assaulting each other.
There is NOTHING unfair about Domestic Violence Laws.
Men ARE the perpetrators of most Domestic Violence and they are dangerous and violent criminals who are not punished harshly enough.
Any man or woman who slaps, shoves, or hits their partner deserves HARD prison time and a minimum of $10,000 in fines for the first offense. I also believe all men and women who have been charged with any Domestic Violence should be legally barred from having children at any point in their lives.
My son’s father attempted to push me TWICE and I was kind enough to NOT blow his fucking head off or put him in prison for those crimes. Thank god that he has NO rights to my son, is not allowed to see or speak to him, and has been permanently denied any visitation or contact with him.
He deserves far worse for his crimes.
I cannot believe that you are suggesting that men should be ALLOWED to lay their hands on a woman in anger. If a man hits a woman, he is a violent predator. End of story. If a woman hits a man, she is a violent predator.
I also believe that any yelling, verbal abuse, mental abuse, or sexually demeaning comments should be prosecuted by law as “violent Domestic Abuse”. No adult should have the right to raise their voice and abuse another person. None. They are criminals. Any violence (including punching walls, throwing things at people, or threatening by making fists at them) should also be considered a serious crime. I would vote for any and all bills that would permanently criminalize those people.
Rapists, Murderers, Molestors, and Domestic Abusers should all be executed the moment the gavel drops on “guilty”.
They are animals and need to be wiped off this planet as quickly as possible. They should receive no human rights and they should be legally punished in EXACTLY the same way they criminalized someone else.
For example, a man who abuses his wife for 5 years should be sentenced to 5 years of daily beatings in EXACTLY the same way he beat his wife.
A man who lays a hand on his children should be legally castrated, sentenced to life in prison, and have all parental rights permanently removed.
I feel exactly the same way about women who commit those crimes.
Domestic Violence should be considered a Class I Felony and I think it’s ludicrous that people are released from prison after being arrested 3, 4, and 5 times for Domestic Violence. They should get a minimum of Life in Prison for anything more then ONE offense in their lives.
I cannot wrap my mind around people like you who think men have a right to NOT be profiled for crimes that they ARE guilty of committing in a vast majority.
I don’t see you lobbying for “fairness” for women in crimes that only WE are profiled for. How about Prostitution? How many men have to EVER worry about being wrongfully profiled for being a hooker? Almost NONE. Women are immediately profiled when any “prostitution” is mentioned.
And that is fair. You know why? Because women typically ARE more often guilty of Prostitution then men are. So why shouldn’t we be profiled first?
You are the only person here who is filled with ludicrous “strawmen” arguments.
Domestic Abusers deserve to be dead. They are scum and they are animals and they should be thanking the Gods that they are NOT being executed right now as we speak. Your type of thinking is truly frightening and is EXACTLY why we need to crack down on violent criminals and stop giving them warnings, fines, and second chances.
Any “attempt” at committing a violent crime should carry the same sentence as actually committing one. Death and Torture. That’s it. That’s what they deserve and that is what I’d like to see America move toward.